Ranty McRantpants

[kapuahi]

You know I'm sick of being told that just because I and friends of mine don't like a character and happen to mention said dislike out loud that we're misogynist character bashers.

Get over yourselves people we'd hate her if she was a man, hell I'd hate her if she was a dog.

For the last time IT'S NOT BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN.

ETA: This May have been the post that precipitated this

Comments

[finduilas-clln.livejournal.com]

I don't understand why people keep focusing on the "it's because she's a woman" bit either.

[kapuahi.livejournal.com]

I figure it's because they're grasping at straws. I mean we must all hate her because she's putting her girl bits between Steve and Danny.

It can't possibly be bacause Mary-Sue is a poorly written badly acted character, now could it.

[finduilas-clln.livejournal.com]

Must be it. Try not to let it get to you. I know, easier said than done. :)

[bluebeard.livejournal.com]

It can't possibly be bacause Mary-Sue is a poorly written badly acted character, now could it.

No, definitely not. I don't think that's it at all. :3

[tarnishedangel2.livejournal.com]

Hi, Finduilas_clin

People are focusing on the "because she's a woman" because this fandom is largely slash based and because this fandom has attacked other female characters (Rachel, Catherine, and Jenna) in the past because they feared they were going to sink their Steve/Danny ship. I saw a fair bit of it last year from the more vocal parts of the fandom. However, the difference with Lori is that a bigger portion of fandom dislikes her, and these people are more likely to give reasons WHY they dislike her rather than just bashing for the sake of bashing. The problem is the bashing pattern has already been established by last year's dislike of the other female characters; so, some people in the fandom are going to be quick to jump on the misogynistic bandwagon because of those past fandom transgressions. It isn't fair or accurate, but I think that is what is going on here.

Just my two cents worth on your comment.

Tarnished

[finduilas-clln.livejournal.com]

That might be it, yes. Which is a shame because Rachel, Catherine, and Jenna were great characters. They had a back-story, they had flaws, etc. I really liked them!

What you say makes a lot of sense.

It isn't fair or accurate, but I think that is what is going on here.
Very good point.

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

There are parts of fandom who are extremely vitriolic and use misogynistic language when it comes to criticising Lori as a character.

This would not have happened with a new male character because writers wouldn't treat a male character the way they've been mistreating Lori as a character - it's due to the fact that she's a female character (and German being a bad actress, alas) that she's nothing but traits and "tell, but no show" writing.

And a mannequin for ass shots etc, because that's what blonde female characters are good for, duh.

[imaginarycircus.livejournal.com]

ITA about the misogynistic and problematic language used to hate on Lori.

[bluebeard.livejournal.com]

lol misogyny. calling a character a bitch does not misogyny make. or, well, to you it does, but to me it doesn't. :) I call real-life people bitches all the time, male or female. Oddly enough none of my friends think I'm a misogynistic pig. Probably because I'm gay and 9 out of 10 friends of mine are female, but ehhh, that doesn't prove anything. :P

[eumelia.livejournal.com]

Yes, well, let us not start a whole other conversation about the speech patterns of gay guys when it comes to women, 'kay?

Calling someone a "bitch" is sexist language, within context it's not necessarily sexist or misogynistic, seeing a badly written and badly acted female character being systemically bashed with that kind of language kind of hints at a deeper meaning.

As I said in my comments - this wouldn't have happened with a male character because the writers and show runners would never create such a vapid male character in the first place.

[bluebeard.livejournal.com]

well, yes. but that's sexism or whatever on behalf of the producers/writers or whoever the hell created this useless creature (whose creation isn't helped by LG's god-awful acting). :3

as for sexism, deeper meaning, etc. - sure, yeah, ok, if you say so. :P

[bijou16.livejournal.com]

my dislike of lori has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. i love kono and catherine and gabby is very cute. i think the bottom line is the actress. she has no chemistry with anyone in the cast and she really is not a good actress. she is very stiff and wooden. why else would she be referred to online as loribot and homeland security barbie? she does not fit in, bottom line. i have said it before and i will say it again, h50 should be the core four and no one else. they of course need other semi regulars and guest stars, like max,kamekona,joe, rachel, grace etc but they are not h50, tho joe was starting to get to be a little much too for a while, but now he hasn't been on for a few episodes so i can appreciate him again when he is on this week. i would even take jenna back over lori. she was quirky, but i think it is too late for her.
teresa

[gyri.livejournal.com]

I like to say I'm an equal-opportunity basher, LOL.

I'm sick to death of having what I say being labeled as misogynistic just because I don't like a character that is female.

[kapuahi.livejournal.com]

I agree, I don't particularly like Joe either, but he's not in your face in every scene so he's really a secondary inconvenience behind the Bot. I'm sure once she's no longer the central focus then we'll all bitch about Joe. And then we'll probably be ageist or something equally ridiculous.

[tarnishedangel2.livejournal.com]

Hi, Kapuahi

I won't be one of the ones "bitch[ing] about Joe". I like him, but I respect that you don't. So far, Lori, Fryer, and Stan are the only three characters that I hate. I don't like the villains (Wo Fat, Hesse, and Sang Min) either, but they are villains; so, I'm not supposed to like them anyway. : )

Tarnished

[casness.livejournal.com]

I took care of it. I've asked the author to deal with it but unfortunately, they decided not to. I'll be posting up a reminder at the community now.

[kitmerlot1213.livejournal.com]

I was not overly fond of the character of Jenna or how the actress played the role, but I don't remember any warnings being posted about "no character bashing" when it came to her--same with Rachel.

Why does Lori/Lauren German rate such special treatment? And if Lauren German can't take any criticism directed towards her about her acting or the character she plays, then maybe she's in the wrong line of work.

[bluebeard.livejournal.com]

Ditto at the second bit. I don't know why that producer (Lenkov or whatever?) keeps encouraging her on Twitter. She's a big girl. If she can't handle this, what can she handle?

[crossmymind.livejournal.com]

Aw, I missed it.

But seriously, it's not because she's a woman. It's because she's a horribly introduced, overused, unnecessary character played by someone who seems to have very little to no acting abilities whatsoever. Why is that so hard to understand?

[bluebeard.livejournal.com]

I totally agree. Which is why I avoid posting/commenting much on H50 TV. Its waters are infested with feminist sharks waiting for so much as one awkwardly or badly-worded comment to jump on your throat about how you're misogynistic. Yeah, I'm totally fucking misogynistic. That's why 9 in 10 friends of mine is female. Because I fucking hate women. My favourite part was when I posted this one entry or whatever and I called Lori a bitch and everyone foamed at the mouth. Hahahaha. Like I don't call guys bitches too. Cute, but no.